Thursday, September 07, 2006

Santa Clause

Today in class (by class, I mean Mr. Malone's 5th period) we were speaking of the existence of Santa Clause. We all unanimously agreed that this "Santa Clause" does not exist, however I would like to pose that question.

Does Santa Clause exist? How do you know?

11 comments:

Vvyynn said...

I would like to first answer to my own question. Yes, I believe Santa Clause exists. Now, Santa does not exist in a physical sense, for a Fat man living on a glacier in the North Pole who has enslaved elves to work for him seems rather odd (besides, his workshop's probably half way underwater by now). However, I feel that Santa as an idea exists. "Santa" is the force of good in the world. "Santa" is hope, "Santa" is when a person suprises you and doesn't screw you over. "Santa" is the symbol of well-meaningness. As cold (Eh? North Pole=cold? Funny? Discuss.) as I may seem at some points, and as pessimistic as I may feel, I still believe there's hope in the world. I still believe that there is good out there in the world. I think that Santa exists as a cumulative identity of all humans, for we all the the ability to do good (whether you want to believe it or not, Hitler could have done good with his life). Thus, Yes Santa Clause exists, as cliche as it may seem, in the hearts of us all. How do I know this? Pragmatic: It's useful for me to believe that people can still do good, and that there are good people out there (otherwise I'd either be incredibly depressed, or I would have committed suicide years ago). Corespondence: This is my theory that, as stupid and as heartless as we humans are, we can still be good, and we can still prevent our own destruction. The other one: I can't remember this...so 20. Anyhoo, there's some ideas. Discuss. Pontificate.

Shayden said...

Totally with you on this one, Vinny (correct me if I'm spelling your name wrong). Ideals are lasting even if only through a mythical symbol. The need to protect innocence or present good will when there is none, bring joy, experience happiness and fulfillment...That's what I constantly seek and take delight in in this world.

Oh yes--Santa being from the cold. He's a symbol of warmth in a frosty world. And why is he always depicted as a red-robed fat man with elves and reindeer? Hmm...

Mike Phamalama said...

That is a fine justification vvyynn, and pontificate is an awesome word. However, saying he exists as an ideal, does not exactly work for everyone. The way you see Santa is really symbolic and you have taken the image of Santa further, but little children who take the claim "Santa exists", take it literally as there is a fat man living at the north pole with elven servants and reindeer.They do not see santa the same way as you. They can also use the tests to prove it to themselves, (if they knew about the tests). Pragmatic: It's useful to them to believe in Santa because he brings them gifts every Christmas and gives them something to look forward to. Coherence: They have recieved gifts that have said that Santa sent them, so he must exist. Correspondence: They have seen santa walking in the mall, and on the street. So to them, Santa exists in the physical sense. WE "know" there isn't a man living in the North pole working all year for Christmas, but these kids do. Does that make it true?

Scummy said...
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Scummy said...

I do believe it's spelled "Claus." No "e."

Santa Clause is the magical but binding contract that causes Tim Allen to begin his poignant yet hilarious transformation from workaholic dad into jolly old elf, in the Wacky New Disney Family Holiday Comedy The Santa Clause, rated PG for mischief involving ungulates.

Vvyynn said...

Actually, Mr Scummy, They've made three now. So it would be The Santa Clause 3, this one involves Jack Frost becomming Santa Clause with hilarious results. Anyhoo, I think that the claim brought up by the Phalmalama depends on who you are. If you are an American child between the ages of 0-12 then yes, Santa Claus (I think it doesn't have an "E", thank Mr. Scummy. Disney is perpetuating incorrect splelling)existing is knowlege (and, yes, this knowledge can be discredited sometime between there). For, k=pjtb. This belief [Santa exists] is properly justified [as you have shown, Phamalama], and because it fits into each of the truth tests then it is true. Thus, "Santa Claus exists" is true, to that select group. However this is true as ptolemy was true (the idea that the earth revolves around the sun). Many people believe it (in this case millions of young children who have been brainwashed with materialistic ideals) to be true, however it is not true. Given the facts we recieve later in life, i.e.: The North pole is a series of glaciers, elves do not scientifically exist (and the politically correct term is "dwarf", I believe), and it is seemingly improbable to travel around the world and deliver presents (or coal) to every single house in the world in one single night. It then becomes a child lie that we perpetuate out of spite for our parents, thinking "Those B***ards, if they wanted to lie to me, then I'll lie to my children: "Hey kids! There's a fat man in a red suit that gives you presents. Heh Heh, can't wait to see the look on their faces when they find out it's all a lie. Nothing like good ol' fashion American family sadism". Well, that's my rant.

Merry_Dip_Salad_Bunny said...

You're so mean! I was absolutely shocked when i found out that Santa Claus doesn't exist! But how can you prove that to me? Like Mike Phamalama said, all of the proof claims are supported, so it must be true!

Many humans suffer from lack of knowledge. Ask your doctor about Knowlex. Knowlex isn't for everyone. Side effects may include big headedness, speed of anger, and talking back. Not recommended for those pregnant or with heart conditions.

But anywho... sorry i just got off the point. This is an exact and perfect example for the cave allegory. I applaud your finding. :)

Vvyynn said...

I. You sick twisted Salad, it's I.

Vvyynn said...

Sick, sick salad. Your probably all moist and wilted from being in the refridgerator for too long, and you've got paprika on you! Yeah, paprika on a salad. Man am I clever.

Vvyynn said...

So what if I mispell 'Refridgerator", is that a crime? According to me it is. So then Am i going to execute myself? WHERE IS THE JUSTICE IN A WORLD WHERE YOU CANNOT EAT ICE CREAM WITH A SPOON????

Vvyynn said...

Capitalizing "am" and not "I"? Heresy! Uh...I agree with the views on Santa Claus, keep it up you guys.